One of the most useful myths in the “pro-choice” arsenal is the assertion that any effort to curb abortion is mere religious overreach. CNN trotted it out a few weeks after the Dobbs verdict—in an article penned by senior writer Eliott C. McLaughlin. His essential complaint was that Justice Samuel Alito—writing for the majority—replaced
Test. I'm just testing to see if I can post on this Substack. Okay, now I'm going to type my comment.
I was struck by the remark “erases whole groups of people who have different religious beliefs". That's certainly something that I believe. I am also struck by the fact that you (the author) seem to think that the beginnings of life are settled, which they are not. Let me tell you what I think.
I am not a Christian or Jew or Muslim. None of the ancient religions interest me. I take my views from metaphysical sources. The best of those sources has proven to be surprisingly believable and specific. It is called the Seth Material. Seth was a soul or spirit who was channeled by a trance medium named Jane Roberts from 1963 to 1984, when she died. Before you laugh at this, you should read up on it. What I find laughable are the ancient religions like Christianity which reflect nothing more than the ramblings and prejudices of some ancient people, like the Israelites. Here is what I believe, based primarily on the Seth readings, but also on the Edgar Cayce readings:
Seth said we all reincarnate. Unlike the Buddhists, though, he said that our incarnations are more modest in number -- he gave ten as an average. The incoming soul, then, has lived prior to the current life. Seth said the soul will not occupy the fetus if the mother is considering an abortion. But he also said that (in most cases) the soul will not occupy the fetus until shortly before, during or after birth -- which is long after an abortion would have taken place. So what this means is that the fetus is just part of the mother's body until a soul occupies it.
Before I continue, let me point out that Christians also believe in souls. Otherwise, what is it that goes to either Heaven or Hell?
Let's say for the sake of argument that the soul DOES occupy the fetus beginning at conception. Since the soul is essentially independent of the fetus, if the fetus is aborted, the soul would reincarnate once again -- i.e., go in search of another mother. But Seth said that is very rare. Usually the incoming soul and the mother have known each other in past lives, and they have karma (either positive or negative) to settle between them. Both of them are aware of this (in the mother's case, on an unconscious level), and so the mother is likely to bring the pregnancy to term.
So you see, there ARE religions out there that say that a soul does not occupy the fetus during the months when it might be aborted. Even in Hinduism and Buddhism, which are not so specific as the Seth Material, the soul is not destroyed by abortion, but simply reincarnates.
So:
Yes, Christians do not honor the beliefs of other religions, and
No, it is NOT clear when the soul is created, not clear at all.
Your problem is that you can't see past your Christian views, and that limits your arguments.
Did you know that until the 1970's, evangelicals did not have uniform opinions about abortion? Many of them thought that abortion was perfectly fine. It was only the Catholics who thought it was murder. The evangelicals, given to extremism, then adopted the Catholic view.
Do you know that the Bible says NOTHING AT ALL about abortion, or when a fetus becomes an independent human being?
You see, you have nothing to stand on but your own religion and common sense, and in this case they are failing you.
Test. I'm just testing to see if I can post on this Substack. Okay, now I'm going to type my comment.
I was struck by the remark “erases whole groups of people who have different religious beliefs". That's certainly something that I believe. I am also struck by the fact that you (the author) seem to think that the beginnings of life are settled, which they are not. Let me tell you what I think.
I am not a Christian or Jew or Muslim. None of the ancient religions interest me. I take my views from metaphysical sources. The best of those sources has proven to be surprisingly believable and specific. It is called the Seth Material. Seth was a soul or spirit who was channeled by a trance medium named Jane Roberts from 1963 to 1984, when she died. Before you laugh at this, you should read up on it. What I find laughable are the ancient religions like Christianity which reflect nothing more than the ramblings and prejudices of some ancient people, like the Israelites. Here is what I believe, based primarily on the Seth readings, but also on the Edgar Cayce readings:
Seth said we all reincarnate. Unlike the Buddhists, though, he said that our incarnations are more modest in number -- he gave ten as an average. The incoming soul, then, has lived prior to the current life. Seth said the soul will not occupy the fetus if the mother is considering an abortion. But he also said that (in most cases) the soul will not occupy the fetus until shortly before, during or after birth -- which is long after an abortion would have taken place. So what this means is that the fetus is just part of the mother's body until a soul occupies it.
Before I continue, let me point out that Christians also believe in souls. Otherwise, what is it that goes to either Heaven or Hell?
Let's say for the sake of argument that the soul DOES occupy the fetus beginning at conception. Since the soul is essentially independent of the fetus, if the fetus is aborted, the soul would reincarnate once again -- i.e., go in search of another mother. But Seth said that is very rare. Usually the incoming soul and the mother have known each other in past lives, and they have karma (either positive or negative) to settle between them. Both of them are aware of this (in the mother's case, on an unconscious level), and so the mother is likely to bring the pregnancy to term.
So you see, there ARE religions out there that say that a soul does not occupy the fetus during the months when it might be aborted. Even in Hinduism and Buddhism, which are not so specific as the Seth Material, the soul is not destroyed by abortion, but simply reincarnates.
So:
Yes, Christians do not honor the beliefs of other religions, and
No, it is NOT clear when the soul is created, not clear at all.
Your problem is that you can't see past your Christian views, and that limits your arguments.
Did you know that until the 1970's, evangelicals did not have uniform opinions about abortion? Many of them thought that abortion was perfectly fine. It was only the Catholics who thought it was murder. The evangelicals, given to extremism, then adopted the Catholic view.
Do you know that the Bible says NOTHING AT ALL about abortion, or when a fetus becomes an independent human being?
You see, you have nothing to stand on but your own religion and common sense, and in this case they are failing you.